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		<title>By: Genevieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! And &quot;justices&quot; should be &quot;Justices,&quot; god, don&#039;t people read their Bluebooks anymore? 

I am just grateful that I currently do not recall the page number for the section on capitalization-there are some rules, I and some of the other editors, have the page numbers memorized for. Ugh. I have Big Problems, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! And &#8220;justices&#8221; should be &#8220;Justices,&#8221; god, don&#8217;t people read their Bluebooks anymore? </p>
<p>I am just grateful that I currently do not recall the page number for the section on capitalization-there are some rules, I and some of the other editors, have the page numbers memorized for. Ugh. I have Big Problems, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Genevieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the long run, I’d hope Westlaw and Lexis end up as second line sources for Federal caselaw.&quot;

I make my staff, as has every EIC before me, pull books off the shelves for all their cite checks. I agree though, the opinions should be posted by the courts--by someone who understands the internet (go take a look at the Tax Court&#039;s website at some point. Oh, and PACER? I hate you too. Surprisingly enough, the DoD&#039;s security clearance litigation component does a semi-decent job of posting opinions--they&#039;re not well organized, but they are actual accurate copies and are posted as soon as the opinion is handed down.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the long run, I’d hope Westlaw and Lexis end up as second line sources for Federal caselaw.&#8221;</p>
<p>I make my staff, as has every EIC before me, pull books off the shelves for all their cite checks. I agree though, the opinions should be posted by the courts&#8211;by someone who understands the internet (go take a look at the Tax Court&#8217;s website at some point. Oh, and PACER? I hate you too. Surprisingly enough, the DoD&#8217;s security clearance litigation component does a semi-decent job of posting opinions&#8211;they&#8217;re not well organized, but they are actual accurate copies and are posted as soon as the opinion is handed down.).</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But Westlaw comes with a rep who hole-punches and staples me research for me! 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In the end, Genevieve, it&#039;s cheaper to go to Delilah&#039;s Den.

~

In the long run, I&#039;d hope Westlaw and Lexis end up as second line sources for Federal caselaw.  No way should the public have to pay for that a second time.  There&#039;s plenty of added value that Westlaw and Lexis can contribute*, but as to the opinions themselves?  Should all be posted by the courts themselves.

*Tho&#039; the added value is questionable.  I learned, early on, that Keycites and whatnot were less than reliable . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Westlaw comes with a rep who hole-punches and staples me research for me! </p>
<p>In the end, Genevieve, it&#8217;s cheaper to go to Delilah&#8217;s Den.</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>In the long run, I&#8217;d hope Westlaw and Lexis end up as second line sources for Federal caselaw.  No way should the public have to pay for that a second time.  There&#8217;s plenty of added value that Westlaw and Lexis can contribute*, but as to the opinions themselves?  Should all be posted by the courts themselves.</p>
<p>*Tho&#8217; the added value is questionable.  I learned, early on, that Keycites and whatnot were less than reliable . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Genevieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Westlaw comes with a rep who hole-punches and staples me research for me! 

On a serious note, one thing I&#039;ve found in my tenure as EIC of my Journal is that Westlaw and Lexis don&#039;t always do that great a job reproducing cases and law reviews. There are rarely problems with &lt;i&gt;text&lt;/i&gt;, although I have found misspellings, inappropriate italics/quote marks, etc, but the page numbers get screwed up a lot. In addition, when my authors copy and paste things from Westlaw directly to quote in their articles, a lot of metadata transfers over, meaning that I have to edit pieces for, e.g., straight quotes instead of curly ones.

I wonder if this problem will exist in the Google Scholar legal materials, and to what extent. Then again, a judge once told my appellate ad class that citations were really not that important in briefs (judge to be unnamed, let&#039;s just say he sits on a Circuit Court). I&#039;m also pretty sure that the only people who care about the mistakes I pointed out above are EICs or academics. 

I think this will be especially good for pro se people-I imagine it could have been really great when Waldo was dealing with that subpoena last year-ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Westlaw comes with a rep who hole-punches and staples me research for me! </p>
<p>On a serious note, one thing I&#8217;ve found in my tenure as EIC of my Journal is that Westlaw and Lexis don&#8217;t always do that great a job reproducing cases and law reviews. There are rarely problems with <i>text</i>, although I have found misspellings, inappropriate italics/quote marks, etc, but the page numbers get screwed up a lot. In addition, when my authors copy and paste things from Westlaw directly to quote in their articles, a lot of metadata transfers over, meaning that I have to edit pieces for, e.g., straight quotes instead of curly ones.</p>
<p>I wonder if this problem will exist in the Google Scholar legal materials, and to what extent. Then again, a judge once told my appellate ad class that citations were really not that important in briefs (judge to be unnamed, let&#8217;s just say he sits on a Circuit Court). I&#8217;m also pretty sure that the only people who care about the mistakes I pointed out above are EICs or academics. </p>
<p>I think this will be especially good for pro se people-I imagine it could have been really great when Waldo was dealing with that subpoena last year-ish.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will not replace Westlaw for me but it is already saving me a fortune -- every time I have to go out of plan to get a federal case, it costs me at least $150.  So I am using this a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will not replace Westlaw for me but it is already saving me a fortune &#8212; every time I have to go out of plan to get a federal case, it costs me at least $150.  So I am using this a lot.</p>
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